If they're not interested in moving the follow up question should be why they don't when in German vehicles. Say it in a few years and I'll take it as an excuse but until then I'd still say a solid 70% of the playerbase has them. Even I--a German player myself--am commonly hounded over this, despite presenting a great deal of strong testimony thats based on many years experienc. The T28 is indeed scumy, not because its to op but because its almost the same tank as the T95 but at a lower br also the side armor thing matters a lot, this is a slow tank, THE slowest tank actually, the panther and tiger have enough speed to compansate for it unlike the HUGE top speed of 13 km/h that the T28. The turret is ok, not the best, but gives the 76mm and 85mm some trouble. But in that case the T95 is also a good flanker. The argument is that a more mobile tank has the better "tools", traits call it however you want to exploit this knowledge. So if you fall for him turning the gun and you still shoot the breach rather than the side of the turret thats a player error and isn't much of a arguement. Turret is 200mm at it's weakest and will bounce if the enemy angles or is at long range. But Germany has little to complain about compared to the French. The latter is mostly forgotten as in this gamewe currently only have a very basic steering system wherethey turn by applying breaks to one track to initiate the turn. If you spot him first and don't manage to kill him with the first spot you are dead even if he can't pen you from the front. lol Germany (especially around the BR you're playing at) has literally some of the most insanely OP lineups in the game - packed with tanks / SPAA / CAS spam vehicles with mostly low spawn costs. Allied tanks have a thinner top armor in general than the German and Soviet tanks, which makes a high pen round not a necessary feature to get kills from the air. Sit in cover, spot an enemy in third person, pop out, shoot and repeat. Only if you let him, if you did the smart thing you will set the rules of engagement and battleground long before they even considered such a thing. And the side of the turret doesn't really mean alot as you can still punch through it with basically the same thing as the other you die no matter what so if you good up that shot its on you. I think it's important to call out that there are a lot of different aspects to mobility. Are there no third positions or one that is at least more pragmatic? Just because there would be more open maps doesn't mean we can't have CQC maps. On 13/02/2020 at 09:16, watch_your_fire said: On 13/02/2020 at 00:46, AnimeThighs said: On 13/02/2020 at 10:33, WilderHans said: On 15/02/2020 at 09:37, Inflatable_CampR said: Addressing Germany's real problems: finding the truth behind "Germany suffers! But only at long range. - He will go around you (most maps allow that) and pop up in you rear. Mobility - and this is actually the main point. Last thing is that Centurions have a lower top speed than king tigers but have much better acceleration and reactionary mobility, and the ability to fire on the move means they have overall greater effective mobility on the battlefield. As for the Bf 110G, it is superb--it's only fault is that it's ranked as a Tier II rather than a Tier III. All trademarks, logos and brand names are the property of their respective owners. Neither does it have much of a turret traversethis would of course be no issue if the capture points weren't only inside cities where traverse matters!). Walter Dorn. If you would have told me you hit the outsides of the turret face no real angling makes it any flatter than what it is. While the M18 can reverse much quicker, it also lurches about far more. Personally, I'd rather be able to harm an enemy frontally than a bit faster than him but forced to flank. Denying that problem only makes it worse. All trademarks, logos and brand names are the property of their respective owners. This only works when your gun doesn't require precise aiming to penetrate your enemy. You make it sound like the T series doesn't have to aim for weak points also. All trademarks, logos and brand names are the property of their respective owners. Relative merit is in play here. By german 6.7 is actually really good against soviet 6.7. For special purposes I still have my Ju-288 with its two SC1600 bombs. However, due to WT map design, with most maps being rather small and generally favouring brawling, this advantage is often countered by the allies more versatile vehicles. The ATGMs aren't common place but considering germany doesn't get SS.11s until 7.7 it does show the extreme technology advantage the brits have. Most guns can penetrate it from the front. 4. The Soviet nation has very little at 6.X--almost as few vehicles as the Americans do at 4.X. There is a great deal of difference in comparing the significance of gun handling of two medium tanks and that of a lightweight TD and a heavyweight medium tank. Nah, Freeaboos bash on Germany when its day in Murica and Wheraboos say Deutschland suffers when its day in Yurop (although the Wheraboos are mostly on the Forums and not on Reddit so you don't see Wheraboo posts often) . Furthermore, using simple math, after 2 Minutes the number of places where the M18 could be is much bigger than the number of places where the Panther could be. The basic problem with this grievance is that people figure they need to have a vehicle as fast as their enemies to win--you dont. Despite the hype, Allied fighter-bombers are not hypermaneuverable UFOs when they're laden with their payloads--they're easy meat for things like the Bf 109s and La-5s. In a standard WT match, do I try to command people using the chat to go to certain positions which they won't do? I never said the hull was bad on the t series i have stated that as long as you don't hit the tracks you pen and the other thread we are in has showed that. In which I have to say no, it's not ONLY the Germans that have bad reverse speeds. According to the complaint, proof of German suffering is had in German win rates--which are often lower than their Allied peers WRs. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features Press Copyright Contact us Creators . Germany has access to the P-47 the same way the US has access to the 109 and 190. Allied CAS i superior. Fires, backs up to cover from return fire etc, flanks if need be. Grant was buried on 4 December 1995 at the cemetery opposite his mansion, with the funeral service held at St Peter and St Paul's Church, Hailsham, East Sussex. The reverse speeds of all of these tanks mean you must step forward progressively, rather than figuring on advancing and reversing on a whim with them as you would with others. A Pz IV F2 can also lol pen a KV-1, Churchill or ARL-44 and probably knock them out with one shot from either front or side. Lets assume competent players who don't gamble. Same procedure as with Panthers. And im asking how your angling it. This is a major drawback and makes this tank so special. Sell, buy or trade War Thunder Items and Services here. at one point or another, with the severity of this problem varying widely. Maps in air battles are sometimes given to br.s that have no way of properly using them (I hear top jets get tiny maps sometimes) and low speed props get huge maps sometimes (even in jets some of the maps make no sense, why would I fly an Me262 for ten minutes to stress out about my 2 sec window to hit an a.i. That is impossible, you need somewhat of a team. And T topically blow up now if you go through the turret. I'd certainly replace the Hs 129B-2/MK 103 if the Bf 110G was a Tier III vehicle. There are major gaps in all the TTs that need to be addressed. It was introduced in Update "Red Skies". I take the 110G into every BR range before radar SPAA. Clearly you haven't seen Gaijin's big maps from afar before. If you don't. He can cap first and when wait till in an ambush till you start to decap. Also, you're very wrong about Tiger syndrome. Stop placing artificial nerfs on German vehicles and weapons; Mk 103s should have the same accuracy as allied autocannons, Panther APCR should have the historical ~260mm of pen instead of the laughable 228mm of pen in-game, and so on. There is 0 reason why an AD-4 or P-47 should be causing you any issue. It kind of creates this all-or-nothing theme, which is kind of sad if we're trying to have a serious discussion here. The majority of the 7.92 German ammunition types go seemingly unused in the game, especially all the high velocity variants of the bullets. Because heat rounds don't care about armor. You can skip APCR because it won't do much. - Panther armour is easier to use and still ok. No need to angle, just point the front towards the enemy. To believe that mobility is the only thing matters is to ignore almost everything that matters in a match. Thus then other nations get the impression that Germany is both OP, but still their players while about wanting better tanks. That's just how a downtier works no matter the battlerating. Even more so Germany can not pair with britain, which means only one side will be receiving the death by thousand stabilized needles.USA brings a ton of HEATFS that chew through the Tiger II UPF. This pretty much says it all, and it describesa fundamental problem with ground RB: the fastesttanks with decent firepowerare the only vehicles in WT that can set up ambushes early game (which helps setting up ambushes mid and late game as well); slower TDs and tanks can't fulfill this role in WT even if they were designed specifically for this purpose and fulfilled it very successfully irl; the brawling maps which drastically cut down the range of engagementscombined with the "early game race" effectively prevents this. AMX-13 10k REPAIR SILVER? If you turn it to the side you just shoot the huge side of the turret. Slow speed handling of the Panther is also very bad, making it a bad brawler in CQC situations where you most likely would have to turn with the traverse to get on target in that tank. The second was the Persian Gulf War era Challenger 1, which was the British army's main battle tank (MBT) from the early 1980s to the mid-1990s. By This by the way also the reason why you quite often see the SDKFZ 234, a BR 2,7 vehicle, in 6.7 matches. Just because there would be more open maps doesn't mean we can't have CQC maps. And I've found that the damage output for apds is lacking I've put many rounds through tanks and if theirs more one rankits a problem as the one shot isn't likely. How do you bounce on a flat piece of armour? I will never understand whats inside Gaijin dev team, but they should add a German Mig 29, instead of waiting until russia gets a better plane first, as always. According to the complaint, the mobility differential between the Germans tanks and the others tanks means that the Germans simply cannot compete in RB GFs. Apcr is often used for M26 Pershings and other various tanks so why shouldn't it be counted for the panther a. Isn't it also true that many of the people who play the soviet tree only play the soviet tree? The T29 has a better gun and marginally better mobility, as well as better mantlet armor. Oh definitely trade-offs are to be expected. Canon CAS is quite strong if left unchecked. But how often do you see good teamplay in randombattles? Yeah, i totally wonder why you never see people playing them, but I still see the same ol team comps of 90% tiger 2s. Now, lets address the imagined problems of Germany so that the real ones can be identified and addressed! Is this being discussed? While an M18s speed might allow it to get to a point a few moments before a Panther would, the M18s lack of armor and less capable cannon burden it if something like a Panther arrives shortly thereafter. You don't need to win the match in the first 5 minutes of the game, late games are a thing. 1. I want to see where you are shooting and with what cause even when i play the AMX M4 which has 215mm of pen btw I've never bounced off the side of a T series tank. AMX-13 GETS UPTIERED 6.7? I like Wallonia, I hate Kursk. Has 7.1 second reload (slower than 6.7s of the 105 L7 guns), -6 gun depression, and only 17.3 deg/sec traverse, so it doesn't fit gun handling meta. The only situation where the Panther would in a clear advantage is a plain map where the M18 has no chance for covered approach. Still more enjoyable than japanese start off. Armor. My general thoughts on what causes Germany to suffer: The Germans' main undoing are their teams--there's no doubt about it. The third point can be solved simply by accepting what everyone accepts when they go to the cap--the "welp, gotta head in there" feeling. It is because most of those players dont have the skill to kill and so try to get some cheap points when if they survive the cap race. Pointing it down doesn't do anything as I've found. Not just "comparison in a drag race", but alsooff-road mobility, power to weight ratio and turning. FRENCH AVIATION TREE IS A JOKE! You have the turret, lfp, and anywhere on the hull as long as you don't hit the tracks. Terrible survivability (carousel and 3 crew). What about T95? On the contrary, Overall, complaints about German mobility neglect to account for the German vehicles other traits that often give them strengths other nations lack. And no matter what is the br setting whatever times you get a new vehicle even at 8.7 you have to start the whole thing again. You have to angleit correctly to make it work. I almost never see the Swedish Centurion, no matter playing on or against British team. With a few more wins per hundred matches, they'd be at that point. The Germany newbies will complain that their chosen tank sucks and the Germany veterans are in their meta premiums taking out entire enemy teams. NO 4.3 FRENCH TANKS? Ferdi is 7.0 and I did managed 17 kills a match. That's where the Panther gets stuck due to bad low speed mobility. As far as I know, nothing about that have been mentioned since it was "being worked on" back in 2017. 2. I'll give you a half point for this one as I clearly said the M18 will head to your spawn after it caps, Well if it makes you feel better stranger things have happened. However there comes the real germany suffers thing. And I'll give you the T29 it was worthy of 7.0 but if your gonna sit here and argue the T34/30 are suddenly worthy of 7.0 you have a biased opinion. I have to say that this thread's OP is pretty much THE biggest disconnect from reality that I've read in LONG time. Is this what we might expect at some point? But like I've said, this is not an issue affecting only Germany. But if you miss me or I see that you are aiming at me, then it is easy for me to get in cover. 5. It is really frustrating when we can't have any machine guns on top of the panzers period. but in a game where you play the same maps over and over again and know all the ways hideouts. He will retreat and find a way around you. MidCii; Jul . Just an endemic lack of knowledge of what assets are available to the Germans. Done. Neither Soviets, Brits nor Ger vehicles have them, beside some prems or some advanced sub-types. It's strengths clearly outweighs it's burdens when the game is based around city/village structures. With a few more wins per hundred matches, they'd be. question. Are king tigers unplayable? The real question would be if you can deny the enemy taking the capture point from long ranges, which would be a resounding no. When I review the player profiles of those in the matches I am in, I commonly find such single nation players are the ones who struggle the most. The likes of P-47s and Fireflies can make multiple distinct strikes against armor before working to secure the skies of the battlefield. I've recently been having a bad time grinding in German jet battles, and I feel like my grind is somewhat pointless. Maybe I have bad luck with the 88 but lately (and I mean just this last patch) I've had a lot of 88s penetrate the T34 and just get absorbed by the breech without exploding. Just look at the Tiger 1H how many Heavy Tanks at 5.3 can roll up to 45 almost 50Km/h. I like Abandoned Factory, I think Middle East is trash. I have said quite the opposite honestly. history projects. On the other hand, allied planes get the bomb loads because their cannons/mgs are less effective against German meds and heavies. While German vehicles cannot quite match others vehicles in a drag race, this does not mean German vehicles are bad. Want Germany to be more competitive at 5.3-6.7? The tracks make it immune to long 88 and actually work as spaced armor against HEAT. The turret is 200mm thick unless you shoot the edges. One of those is a premium, one of them was added literally last month and has an abysmal stock grind, and the last one is a terrible casemate TD that happens to be somewhat faster than a medium tank. Justifications for War and Peace in the Scriptures of the Abrahamic Religions. Uptier your Panthers that can't even penetrate the side of the T__ turret? The Brit needs 2-3 good hits to kill the KT, while the KT just takes one hit to blow the Cent up with huge APHE. And yes theoretically the bigger and slower tank could try the same tactic, just that it would take him much longer to react, he would be easiert to spot and aim at, and you would give the enemy more time to shoot at you when you cross open terrain. It's best to make do with what you have at the moment plus its amusing flanking with big bulky vehicles. Other nations have a lot of fast backups with good guns, like the M18, T114, M50, ASU 85, Falcon etc. Only salt and betrayal.Thanks for watching!Subscribe for decent content next time (hopefully). People wildly overstate the extent of this. Rare, but happens from time to time Few wants to go for the objectives (which is more understandable when you consider the caps' terrible earnings) but fewer want to accept the consequences of not going for them. Don't know maybe deserve a new play again. while proclaiming yourself in some sort of 'neutral good' position. And its mo different than tiger 2 players shaking their turret to get a bounce. Which is situational and works only on several maps. (small note, i forgot the T__ has cast armor, it's frontal protection is actually 190mm at it's weakest. And that goes for anyone regardless of nation. Your observations are not a statistical fact or some sort of general trend setting. Bouncing for when we are talking about the gun of Hellcat (especially the 90mm), Marder and Archer. In real life, German cats had a more advanced system/concept known as regenerative steering, this is vastly more energy efficient and especially useful for these heavy late wartanks, and other tanks after the war. Easier to spot in open terrain and gives you enough time for an aimed shot? If anyone has any genuine strategy for killing T__ I'm all ears. Yes but this is should be fixed for once and for all. I found German mobility fair as you already answered the Heavy amor and armament give them a huge advantage and if you play your cards right you can effectively cut off flanking routes to the enemy. Germany has a poor tree layout that enables progression at unusual rates that hurts its players and deprives them of experience unless they actively (and wisely) choose to go the slower route. I'll add as a supposition (GE doesn't share the data) that Germany is probably the first nation people pick up to start. Internal mods of higher tier vehicles are more durable, sometimes not even the engine starts burning if you shot a shell into the back of an rank 4 enemy. As someone who has played all nations, I have had the opportunity to play with and against German tanks. Sohow exactly do I do that? In a standard WT match, do I try to command people using the chat to go to certain positions which they won't do? This is of course a burden if you're in a CQC situation where the APDS will easily pen your frontal armor. The problem here is that Japan doesn't have a lot of players and thus meeting japanese aircraft is pretty rare in RB. Interesting thing about predicting the predictable itshighly accurate. People like to complain about the cause being UK 6.7, but tanks like the Panther II have almost double the games than any of the UK tanks. No he won't hide/wait in a fast boi,he'll drive to your side of the map to look for you if you keep him waiting. Long range eliminations tend to be how I foil most of the cappers I kill. There are many, many more ways in which Germany is claimed to suffer--these are just a few that I chose to address for this first post. Just an endemic lack of knowledge of what assets are available to the Germans, 20112022 Gaijin Games Kft. yes in the real world and on paper, but in a game where you play the same maps over and over again and know all the ways hideouts. Then you have very bad chances to win as USA, since you won't be able to flank them. I'd love to hear an in depth explanation of why you think that. I think that is what contributes in combination with what you mentioned for the low WR of Germans at the 5.7-6.7 BR range. Real German problem here---> East Germany, "Where's our tank? Those things can shrug off even the 10.5 in close combat. Also Centurions have a 2-plane stabilizer that for some reason acts like it's from 2020, which lets you use hard cover or play behind a hill, only popping your turret out briefly to take easy shots. The fast-paced and valiant opener marks a strong, excessive statement right at the beginning, because every detail fascinates: the riffing, the solos, the chorus, pick out whatever you want. However it does not. They still exist just can't be unlocked by new players anymore. Germany has a P-47 that lacks bombs and rockets, which means it is not burdened by those as distractions or dead weight in the case of opposing fighters. Allied CAS is absolutely by far and away superior, only the 37mm armed Bf-110G is superior to allied cas, it's actually really good. T-80U only fixes armor (although weakspots veeerrry preminent), slightly better HP/T (still -10 kph reverse though), and a slightly better reload (6.5s but still slightly slower than other 120mms). 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